[Denied] server suggestion- Drive-by

WiLD_HuNteR wrote:It was already suggested https://vkserver.forumotion.com/t11364-denied-server-and-script-suggestions-fall-from-bike
Even if everyone gives +1 still this suggestion would be denied
Anyways i'll go with +1

Poison^ wrote:Your points are valid but fall from bike... no -1.

GeoGeo wrote:

Poison^ wrote:Your points are valid but fall from bike... no -1.

well, you know it force very well everyone have props and they can set their world how they want to do,so it won't effect our gameplay in world 1,world 1 needs to be freed from such things it should for pure DM

ЧК. wrote:Stunt bike should be turned off automatically when you start drive bying (get 1 drive by kill) until you exit bike.

MaSoN^ wrote:+1. Also if it's possible, For the guys who don't want to fall off their bikes:

You can just make a command called /stuntmode that'll have on/off as syntax which will make you enter in a state where you don't fall off the bike and can't attack until you use /stuntmode off. You can add a timer to that as well to avoid any abuse of this command.

DarkXid3R wrote:There's secret way of killing drive byers I am not telling you

DarkXid3R wrote:There's secret way of killing drive byers I am not telling you

DarkXid3R wrote:There's secret way of killing drive byers I am not telling you

Code:

 /drivebymode on/off

DarkXid3R wrote:There's secret way of killing drive byers I am not telling you

MaSoN^ wrote:I've already suggested this, but it got denied because it's  "a part of the game". Though idk how something weird like that is a part of the game when there is lag from the player and the server sometimes. Lead aiming is harder than it was in 0.3z believe me it takes a whole mag just to damage someone which is annoying.

I like 4K's suggestion here, it's kinda similar to a suggestion I came up with once, of course got denied because it's still "a part of the game".

MaSoN^ wrote:+1. Also if it's possible, For the guys who don't want to fall off their bikes:

You can just make a command called /stuntmode that'll have on/off as syntax which will make you enter in a state where you don't fall off the bike and can't attack until you use /stuntmode off. You can add a timer to that as well to avoid any abuse of this command.

this will of course get denied because it's "a part of the game"

ЧК. wrote:Stunt bike should be turned off automatically when you start drive bying (get 1 drive by kill) until you exit bike.

[F2]Don_Bradman wrote:-9999999, ya all are just butthurt nabs.

Also if ya all want fair dm, why not remove the hunter and sea sparrow too?

Helathien wrote:

ЧК. wrote:Stunt bike should be turned off automatically when you start drive bying (get 1 drive by kill) until you exit bike.

As I said before I don't think this feature can be enabled for one specific player, it is applied to all of the server as it is a server setting not a player setting. So if you disable stunt mode it will be disabled for everyone. So it's either enable it for everyone or disable it for everyone. And yes it applies to other worlds too. Maybe it can be done but according  to me it's not possible.

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

If you actually consider it as a problem of enabling stuntmode by default in the first place, then you should understand that late is better than nothing. It won’t ruin our reputation, but actually improve it because the thing is drive bying already has a huge advantage over other players, and on top of that if drive byers don’t need to be able to handle the bike properly then drive bying just becomes too over powered. The problem with the new games these days such as new Call of Duty games is that they make so many over powered weapons and perks which just eliminates balance in competition. The reason I and many other players still play CoD4 is because it is the most balanced in terms of weapons and perks which creates the enjoyment in competition.

Yes, it has become very common in VKs that drive bying is very easy since you don’t need maneuverability skills which gives an unfair advantage to drive byers as they need almost no skill at all. My example may seem ridiculous but it is the truth if you view the server from other experienced players’ point of view that it’s just like that VKs allows newbies to hack so they can play as good as old players.

I understand your point that there needs to be consistency in the server, but you have to understand that sometimes change is necessary. If we’ve been doing something wrong for years and make it right now that will be far better than no change at all. Also, you’re right that many VKs players are not registered on forum, but you are wrong that the forum registered users don’t have an opinion because usually the players not on the forum are randoms who we don’t know when will they play or not play, but forum users are old community loyal members and therefore you should consider something if every forum user is suggesting 1 thing.

I know players who’ve left VKs (I won’t name) just because of the unfair advantages given to newbies through script and rules. Therefore you should understand that you need a balance rather than going to 1extreme to satisfy all players to an extent.

Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

If you actually consider it as a problem of enabling stuntmode by default in the first place, then you should understand that late is better than nothing. It won’t ruin our reputation, but actually improve it because the thing is drive bying already has a huge advantage over other players, and on top of that if drive byers don’t need to be able to handle the bike properly then drive bying just becomes too over powered. The problem with the new games these days such as new Call of Duty games is that they make so many over powered weapons and perks which just eliminates balance in competition. The reason I and many other players still play CoD4 is because it is the most balanced in terms of weapons and perks which creates the enjoyment in competition.

Yes, it has become very common in VKs that drive bying is very easy since you don’t need maneuverability skills which gives an unfair advantage to drive byers as they need almost no skill at all. My example may seem ridiculous but it is the truth if you view the server from other experienced players’ point of view that it’s just like that VKs allows newbies to hack so they can play as good as old players.

I understand your point that there needs to be consistency in the server, but you have to understand that sometimes change is necessary. If we’ve been doing something wrong for years and make it right now that will be far better than no change at all. Also, you’re right that many VKs players are not registered on forum, but you are wrong that the forum registered users don’t have an opinion because usually the players not on the forum are randoms who we don’t know when will they play or not play, but forum users are old community loyal members and therefore you should consider something if every forum user is suggesting 1 thing.

I know players who’ve left VKs (I won’t name) just because of the unfair advantages given to newbies through script and rules. Therefore you should understand that you need a balance rather than going to 1extreme to satisfy all players to an extent.

You gave cod as an example. What would happen if they made the newer cods more like COD 4? Do you think the players there would be happy about it? after having it for so many years? No. Sure if they released a brand new game more like COD 4 that would've probably not hurt, but in Vks case it's about replacing the old with something new.

It's not the same game anymore you said it yourself.

Don't tell me that I need to listen to your perspectives, I listen to all perspectives and understand them. It's just that most people including you don't understand the risks and negative effects it could have as well. If you read the first few lines of my message you can see that I take both into account.

You know people who have left VKs because they don't like driveby? That's fine. There will be people who leave if I implement this as well, the risks here is that we don't know how many newbies play here exclusively for driveby or how many people that wouldn't be okay with this change.

As I explained in my cake example: You get a piece of the cake, which in this example means that if you are looking for a fight that isn't interruptable with driveby, you can find those fights in properties.

Ending statement: Everything is going good, I will most likely not risk anything. But I am open to more discussions. Being skilled is in my opinion more of an advantage than driveby can provide. Just look at Rainbow. I will as I said be opened to discussing this more.

Helathien wrote:Guys I think the best to deal with this drive by is that make it that when the hp of the bike reaches 500 it explodes without catching fire on all types of bikes. Or Atleast it goes to 350 where it catches fire. The bike explodes and the drive yer dies.

This will remove the invincibility of the drivbyers while everyone still gets the same mechanics.

Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

If you actually consider it as a problem of enabling stuntmode by default in the first place, then you should understand that late is better than nothing. It won’t ruin our reputation, but actually improve it because the thing is drive bying already has a huge advantage over other players, and on top of that if drive byers don’t need to be able to handle the bike properly then drive bying just becomes too over powered. The problem with the new games these days such as new Call of Duty games is that they make so many over powered weapons and perks which just eliminates balance in competition. The reason I and many other players still play CoD4 is because it is the most balanced in terms of weapons and perks which creates the enjoyment in competition.

Yes, it has become very common in VKs that drive bying is very easy since you don’t need maneuverability skills which gives an unfair advantage to drive byers as they need almost no skill at all. My example may seem ridiculous but it is the truth if you view the server from other experienced players’ point of view that it’s just like that VKs allows newbies to hack so they can play as good as old players.

I understand your point that there needs to be consistency in the server, but you have to understand that sometimes change is necessary. If we’ve been doing something wrong for years and make it right now that will be far better than no change at all. Also, you’re right that many VKs players are not registered on forum, but you are wrong that the forum registered users don’t have an opinion because usually the players not on the forum are randoms who we don’t know when will they play or not play, but forum users are old community loyal members and therefore you should consider something if every forum user is suggesting 1 thing.

I know players who’ve left VKs (I won’t name) just because of the unfair advantages given to newbies through script and rules. Therefore you should understand that you need a balance rather than going to 1extreme to satisfy all players to an extent.

You gave cod as an example. What would happen if they made the newer cods more like COD 4? Do you think the players there would be happy about it? after having it for so many years? No. Sure if they released a brand new game more like COD 4 that would've probably not hurt, but in Vks case it's about replacing the old with something new.

It's not the same game anymore you said it yourself.

Don't tell me that I need to listen to your perspectives, I listen to all perspectives and understand them. It's just that most people including you don't understand the risks and negative effects it could have as well. If you read the first few lines of my message you can see that I take both into account.

You know people who have left VKs because they don't like driveby? That's fine. There will be people who leave if I implement this as well, the risks here is that we don't know how many newbies play here exclusively for driveby or how many people that wouldn't be okay with this change.

As I explained in my cake example: You get a piece of the cake, which in this example means that if you are looking for a fight that isn't interruptable with driveby, you can find those fights in properties.

Ending statement: Everything is going good, I will most likely not risk anything. But I am open to more discussions. Being skilled is in my opinion more of an advantage than driveby can provide. Just look at Rainbow. I will as I said be opened to discussing this more.

Mr.Alone wrote:

[F2]Don_Bradman wrote:-9999999, ya all are just butthurt nabs.

Also if ya all want fair dm, why not remove the hunter and sea sparrow too?

Cri Don don don dump

[F2]Don_Bradman wrote:

Mr.Alone wrote:

[F2]Don_Bradman wrote:-9999999, ya all are just butthurt nabs.

Also if ya all want fair dm, why not remove the hunter and sea sparrow too?

Cri Don don don dump

Ur the ones who are gonna cri coz Angel seems to luv drivebyers

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

If you actually consider it as a problem of enabling stuntmode by default in the first place, then you should understand that late is better than nothing. It won’t ruin our reputation, but actually improve it because the thing is drive bying already has a huge advantage over other players, and on top of that if drive byers don’t need to be able to handle the bike properly then drive bying just becomes too over powered. The problem with the new games these days such as new Call of Duty games is that they make so many over powered weapons and perks which just eliminates balance in competition. The reason I and many other players still play CoD4 is because it is the most balanced in terms of weapons and perks which creates the enjoyment in competition.

Yes, it has become very common in VKs that drive bying is very easy since you don’t need maneuverability skills which gives an unfair advantage to drive byers as they need almost no skill at all. My example may seem ridiculous but it is the truth if you view the server from other experienced players’ point of view that it’s just like that VKs allows newbies to hack so they can play as good as old players.

I understand your point that there needs to be consistency in the server, but you have to understand that sometimes change is necessary. If we’ve been doing something wrong for years and make it right now that will be far better than no change at all. Also, you’re right that many VKs players are not registered on forum, but you are wrong that the forum registered users don’t have an opinion because usually the players not on the forum are randoms who we don’t know when will they play or not play, but forum users are old community loyal members and therefore you should consider something if every forum user is suggesting 1 thing.

I know players who’ve left VKs (I won’t name) just because of the unfair advantages given to newbies through script and rules. Therefore you should understand that you need a balance rather than going to 1extreme to satisfy all players to an extent.

You gave cod as an example. What would happen if they made the newer cods more like COD 4? Do you think the players there would be happy about it? after having it for so many years? No. Sure if they released a brand new game more like COD 4 that would've probably not hurt, but in Vks case it's about replacing the old with something new.

It's not the same game anymore you said it yourself.

Don't tell me that I need to listen to your perspectives, I listen to all perspectives and understand them. It's just that most people including you don't understand the risks and negative effects it could have as well. If you read the first few lines of my message you can see that I take both into account.

You know people who have left VKs because they don't like driveby? That's fine. There will be people who leave if I implement this as well, the risks here is that we don't know how many newbies play here exclusively for driveby or how many people that wouldn't be okay with this change.

As I explained in my cake example: You get a piece of the cake, which in this example means that if you are looking for a fight that isn't interruptable with driveby, you can find those fights in properties.

Ending statement: Everything is going good, I will most likely not risk anything. But I am open to more discussions. Being skilled is in my opinion more of an advantage than driveby can provide. Just look at Rainbow. I will as I said be opened to discussing this more.

Don’t you think removing stuntmode will create the perfect balance for both parties?

Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

If you actually consider it as a problem of enabling stuntmode by default in the first place, then you should understand that late is better than nothing. It won’t ruin our reputation, but actually improve it because the thing is drive bying already has a huge advantage over other players, and on top of that if drive byers don’t need to be able to handle the bike properly then drive bying just becomes too over powered. The problem with the new games these days such as new Call of Duty games is that they make so many over powered weapons and perks which just eliminates balance in competition. The reason I and many other players still play CoD4 is because it is the most balanced in terms of weapons and perks which creates the enjoyment in competition.

Yes, it has become very common in VKs that drive bying is very easy since you don’t need maneuverability skills which gives an unfair advantage to drive byers as they need almost no skill at all. My example may seem ridiculous but it is the truth if you view the server from other experienced players’ point of view that it’s just like that VKs allows newbies to hack so they can play as good as old players.

I understand your point that there needs to be consistency in the server, but you have to understand that sometimes change is necessary. If we’ve been doing something wrong for years and make it right now that will be far better than no change at all. Also, you’re right that many VKs players are not registered on forum, but you are wrong that the forum registered users don’t have an opinion because usually the players not on the forum are randoms who we don’t know when will they play or not play, but forum users are old community loyal members and therefore you should consider something if every forum user is suggesting 1 thing.

I know players who’ve left VKs (I won’t name) just because of the unfair advantages given to newbies through script and rules. Therefore you should understand that you need a balance rather than going to 1extreme to satisfy all players to an extent.

You gave cod as an example. What would happen if they made the newer cods more like COD 4? Do you think the players there would be happy about it? after having it for so many years? No. Sure if they released a brand new game more like COD 4 that would've probably not hurt, but in Vks case it's about replacing the old with something new.

It's not the same game anymore you said it yourself.

Don't tell me that I need to listen to your perspectives, I listen to all perspectives and understand them. It's just that most people including you don't understand the risks and negative effects it could have as well. If you read the first few lines of my message you can see that I take both into account.

You know people who have left VKs because they don't like driveby? That's fine. There will be people who leave if I implement this as well, the risks here is that we don't know how many newbies play here exclusively for driveby or how many people that wouldn't be okay with this change.

As I explained in my cake example: You get a piece of the cake, which in this example means that if you are looking for a fight that isn't interruptable with driveby, you can find those fights in properties.

Ending statement: Everything is going good, I will most likely not risk anything. But I am open to more discussions. Being skilled is in my opinion more of an advantage than driveby can provide. Just look at Rainbow. I will as I said be opened to discussing this more.

Don’t you think removing stuntmode will create the perfect balance for both parties?

Ask that question but replace stuntmode with something that would affect your own personal gameplay and ask yourself that question. COD 5 can't go back to COD 4 now, but COD 10 (assume cod 10 is the next cod not released) can work similarly to COD 4. Would you be okay with COD 4 having overpowered weapons as a feature that they add years later after its release? I am going to guess: Probably not.

Is enabling /stuntmode for example if you make 3 driveby kills in a row that big of a deal? Maybe not. But then some guy will say that due to sliding shotguns gives an unfair advantage, the sea sparow gives an unfair advantage and so on.

If I had the chance go back in time to 2012 and change stuntbike would I do it? No because of stunting. Would I add a feature that makes it harder to driveby? possibly.

Also would stuntbike really change all that much? I mean when you encounter drivebyer's you're on foot most of the time. Sure if you can flatten their tires maybe they'll fall off. But I am just thinking of the normal driveby technique which to sneak up to a player, stop and driveby them. You're not thinking of your own advantages as well. You can flatten their tyres, climb stuff to avoid them and take them out from long range.

In conclusion: Changing core gameplay is disrespectful and makes it actually more likely to lose long-time players than keeping it the same. Now if /stuntbike is a big deal or not, I don't know. It's definitely a risk alright, but how big? Maybe it's small. I am more speaking about the general case.

Pavonis wrote:4K and angel leave your keyboard alone lol. You guys writing liike crazy. :v

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:4K and angel leave your keyboard alone lol. You guys writing liike crazy. :v

you need to receive forums ban for next time if you post useless reply,I'll send a message to forums moderators to give you atleast 1 week ban

Pavonis wrote:

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:4K and angel leave your keyboard alone lol. You guys writing liike crazy. :v

you need to receive forums ban for next time if you post useless reply,I'll send a message to forums moderators to give you atleast 1 week ban

LMFAO! I am so scared bro pls don't . Tell me which rule I broke mr reporter? You think your msg will make ME banned? ROFL

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:4K and angel leave your keyboard alone lol. You guys writing liike crazy. :v

you need to receive forums ban for next time if you post useless reply,I'll send a message to forums moderators to give you atleast 1 week ban

LMFAO! I am so scared bro pls don't . Tell me which rule I broke mr reporter? You think your msg will make ME banned? ROFL

we're discussing  something serious and you're replying here for no reason you've already casted your vote -1,so what do you want here ? stop spamming every topic

Pavonis wrote:

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:4K and angel leave your keyboard alone lol. You guys writing liike crazy. :v

you need to receive forums ban for next time if you post useless reply,I'll send a message to forums moderators to give you atleast 1 week ban

LMFAO! I am so scared bro pls don't . Tell me which rule I broke mr reporter? You think your msg will make ME banned? ROFL

we're discussing  something serious and you're replying here for no reason you've already casted your vote -1,so what do you want here ? stop spamming every topic

You just raged, cos angel didn't agreed with you. :v

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:

GeoGeo wrote:

Pavonis wrote:4K and angel leave your keyboard alone lol. You guys writing liike crazy. :v

you need to receive forums ban for next time if you post useless reply,I'll send a message to forums moderators to give you atleast 1 week ban

LMFAO! I am so scared bro pls don't . Tell me which rule I broke mr reporter? You think your msg will make ME banned? ROFL

we're discussing  something serious and you're replying here for no reason you've already casted your vote -1,so what do you want here ? stop spamming every topic

You just raged, cos angel didn't agreed with you. :v

now why i be raged,it's his server and we're suggesting something to him,stop your crap already we're tired from your shit, you just to know how to ruin a good topic now get away from this topic don't reply here

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Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:

ЧК. wrote:

Chuck Norris wrote:What I have come to understand is that:

I am either too stubborn to change and thus VKs suffer from me being stuck in my old ways, or we shouldn't change core gameplay and risk ruining the experience for others.

See the two problems here. If we change driveby gameplay now: 5-6 years into it being the same, it might ruin the identity of the server. If we keep changing basic gameplay mechanics is it really VKs anymore? The reason I quit wow was that it changed too much of its core gameplay.

Angel, it's just a "small thing", no not really. It's like me removing the stubby or changing it in some way. People that like stubby wouldn't be okay that all of a sudden after using that weapon for 5 years they either can't use it anymore or it feels different or not as fun anymore. Tactics will be destroyed and they will be forced to do something else. It has always been my principal that I never change stuff like that.

So the question is always? Should a man stick to his principal or change them? You guys can't really convince me because the drivebyer's are not represented on the forum.

Driveby gives the less skilled players a chance to fight and even some power over the more experienced players, but experienced players always beat the less experienced players in the end. You should've developed tactics for taking them out. I've seen Rainbow play the game and when he encounters a drivebyer he hardly ever dies. Just a few days ago I saw him being chased by cops and two driveby'ers while trying to solve the secret of VKs part 2. He survived + robbed 15 stores in a row.

Also, you guys have properties. So it's not like you have to deal with them in more places than world 1. VKs is a huge server where I want everyone to get what they want. Everyone gets a piece of the cake in VKs, but you never get the whole cake. Some servers will give your type the whole cake and give nothing to the rest, I want to give one piece to everyone so they can play however they want.

I mean tell me one thing you can't do in the server?

You can't fight your friends in a stubby duel? Properties.

You don't have spawn loc when fighting? Properties are good for that.

You want to kill noobs? World 1, you just have to be careful for drivebyers.

If you actually consider it as a problem of enabling stuntmode by default in the first place, then you should understand that late is better than nothing. It won’t ruin our reputation, but actually improve it because the thing is drive bying already has a huge advantage over other players, and on top of that if drive byers don’t need to be able to handle the bike properly then drive bying just becomes too over powered. The problem with the new games these days such as new Call of Duty games is that they make so many over powered weapons and perks which just eliminates balance in competition. The reason I and many other players still play CoD4 is because it is the most balanced in terms of weapons and perks which creates the enjoyment in competition.

Yes, it has become very common in VKs that drive bying is very easy since you don’t need maneuverability skills which gives an unfair advantage to drive byers as they need almost no skill at all. My example may seem ridiculous but it is the truth if you view the server from other experienced players’ point of view that it’s just like that VKs allows newbies to hack so they can play as good as old players.

I understand your point that there needs to be consistency in the server, but you have to understand that sometimes change is necessary. If we’ve been doing something wrong for years and make it right now that will be far better than no change at all. Also, you’re right that many VKs players are not registered on forum, but you are wrong that the forum registered users don’t have an opinion because usually the players not on the forum are randoms who we don’t know when will they play or not play, but forum users are old community loyal members and therefore you should consider something if every forum user is suggesting 1 thing.

I know players who’ve left VKs (I won’t name) just because of the unfair advantages given to newbies through script and rules. Therefore you should understand that you need a balance rather than going to 1extreme to satisfy all players to an extent.

You gave cod as an example. What would happen if they made the newer cods more like COD 4? Do you think the players there would be happy about it? after having it for so many years? No. Sure if they released a brand new game more like COD 4 that would've probably not hurt, but in Vks case it's about replacing the old with something new.

It's not the same game anymore you said it yourself.

Don't tell me that I need to listen to your perspectives, I listen to all perspectives and understand them. It's just that most people including you don't understand the risks and negative effects it could have as well. If you read the first few lines of my message you can see that I take both into account.

You know people who have left VKs because they don't like driveby? That's fine. There will be people who leave if I implement this as well, the risks here is that we don't know how many newbies play here exclusively for driveby or how many people that wouldn't be okay with this change.

As I explained in my cake example: You get a piece of the cake, which in this example means that if you are looking for a fight that isn't interruptable with driveby, you can find those fights in properties.

Ending statement: Everything is going good, I will most likely not risk anything. But I am open to more discussions. Being skilled is in my opinion more of an advantage than driveby can provide. Just look at Rainbow. I will as I said be opened to discussing this more.

Don’t you think removing stuntmode will create the perfect balance for both parties?

Ask that question but replace stuntmode with something that would affect your own personal gameplay and ask yourself that question. COD 5 can't go back to COD 4 now, but COD 10 (assume cod 10 is the next cod not released) can work similarly to COD 4. Would you be okay with COD 4 having overpowered weapons as a feature that they add years later after its release? I am going to guess: Probably not.

Is enabling /stuntmode for example if you make 3 driveby kills in a row that big of a deal? Maybe not. But then some guy will say that due to sliding shotguns gives an unfair advantage, the sea sparow gives an unfair advantage and so on.

If I had the chance go back in time to 2012 and change stuntbike would I do it? No because of stunting. Would I add a feature that makes it harder to driveby? possibly.

Also would stuntbike really change all that much? I mean when you encounter drivebyer's you're on foot most of the time. Sure if you can flatten their tires maybe they'll fall off. But I am just thinking of the normal driveby technique which to sneak up to a player, stop and driveby them. You're not thinking of your own advantages as well. You can flatten their tyres, climb stuff to avoid them and take them out from long range.

In conclusion: Changing core gameplay is disrespectful and makes it actually more likely to lose long-time players than keeping it the same. Now if /stuntbike is a big deal or not, I don't know. It's definitely a risk alright, but how big? Maybe it's small. I am more speaking about the general case.

You are right, if they add over powered guns to CoD4 couple months from release (not years since games aren’t supported that long, or at least just cod) I would most definitely leave the game because the only reason I play it still is because it is the most balanced compared to other cod games.

This stuntmode suggestion is more of a pre release suggestion because then you can plan on making the game more balanced and kills will require skill whether it’s drive by kill or m4 kill. But the problem is before release we can’t really predict how the server will be perceived and what adjustments we need to make. Just like our rules, they’ve changed a lot since release and the reason is both the VCMP updates and incidents we see occuring in the server over time.