Discussion with Angel - How can we prevent command evades.

by **Chuck Norris** Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:26 am

Problem: Lots of users are complaining that the commands are used as a way to evade death or to prevent damage from being taken.

Solutions I got (tell me what you think about each one, obviously they are different and all can't be implemented, we need to decide which one to pick):
1. We add a message saying you have to wait 10-20 seconds before using a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have recently lost health.
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
3. Maybe I should try to make it so all commands forces you to stand still + makes you unable to attack? Will be a lot of work and there are lots of teleporting commands so this might be tricky.

Btw I am aware of that anti freeze bug and have prevented it so it's no longer possible to use teleport/heal commands when you somehow manages to get unfreeze.
Any other suggestions?

by **Signal** Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:35 am

Chuck Norris wrote:2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you

I believe this will affect dm experience of regular players and this will make us difficult to get used to compared to other server's gameplay

by **Chuck Norris** Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 am

SiGNaL wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you

I believe this will affect dm experience of regular players and this will make us difficult to get used to compared to other server's gameplay

Sorry if I am not clear. I mean that if you get knocked down by stubby you can't use /heal or any teleport commands within the next 10-20 seconds. But yeah that might affect it as well.

by **Signal** Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:41 am

Chuck Norris wrote:
SiGNaL wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you

I believe this will affect dm experience of regular players and this will make us difficult to get used to compared to other server's gameplay

Sorry if I am not clear. I mean that if you get knocked down by stubby you can't use /heal or any teleport commands within the next 10-20 seconds. But yeah that might affect it as well.

what is that bug if you enable unfreeze while healing or teleporting? i think unfreezing will solve this problem if thats possible.

by h Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:46 am

Yea make timer on when the player gets knocked out he has to wait max 7 seconds.

Stupido Idea: If players hp before the command and after the command is not same then command cencels or atleast it is below 30 then the previous hp.

by **47.** Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:56 am

Chuck Norris wrote:Problem: Lots of users are complaining that the commands are used as a way to evade death or to prevent damage from being taken.

Solutions I got (tell me what you think about each one, obviously they are different and all can't be implemented, we need to decide which one to pick):
1. We add a message saying you have to wait 10-20 seconds before using a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have recently lost health.
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
3. Maybe I should try to make it so all commands forces you to stand still + makes you unable to attack? Will be a lot of work and there are lots of teleporting commands so this might be tricky.

Btw I am aware of that anti freeze bug and have prevented it so it's no longer possible to use teleport/heal commands when you somehow manages to get unfreeze.
Any other suggestions?

We can prevent commands evade by not freezing them while using cmd. Like when we use /heal, we have to stand still and not move for 5 sec in order to work the cmd successfully. In this way we will not freeze and evades can't be done.

This literary helps when the player is knocked. When he use /heal while being knocked, the cmd will fail when he stands up and process fails due to movement.

by **Halo** Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:16 am

First of All, you didn't mention about mini-game pickup which everywhere, players can easily evade from there by falling or teleportation to mini-games.I suggest you to make kind of script when you're in combat, you can't join mini-games and anything while you in combat from the pickup.
/heal and /goto but i didn't test goto, have lots of bugs, i can walk while healing. Razz

by Guest Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:38 am

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by **SJHere** Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:35 pm

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by **B!aC7.D3V!l** Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:40 pm

by **LOGiC ™** Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:51 pm

nice

by **QaisAla** Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:45 pm

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I like that idea.

by **?????????** Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:37 pm

any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreaker? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server scripts

by **Chuck Norris** Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:39 pm

HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.

by **?????????** Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:52 pm

Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.

I don't know but I think vks would be ok with rather focusing on rules first and then gameplay second, you should think twice, there are good ideas here that need to be developed in a different way (i'm okay with freezing one as I read twice, I didn't understand at first), but still this:

Chuck Norris wrote:
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.

I don't know but it sounds kinda desperate to me, if you want to teleport you should be able to do it at any time.

if you wanna fix things so bad then the best thing you can do is to make teleporting possible only if your hp is above 20 (one stubby or one m60 shot would mean death if it's 20 or less) that way you can give the opponent another chance

still the server is okay as it is, rules should be worked more.

by **Blood Sucker** Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:55 pm

Just remove the freeze like you did in fix, less codes lines and can't be abused
Thank me later

by **Chuck Norris** Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:57 pm

HunTinG wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.
I don't know but I think vks would be ok with rather focusing on rules first and then gameplay second, you should think twice, there are good ideas here that need to be developed in a different way (i'm okay with freezing one as I read twice, I didn't understand at first), but still this:
Chuck Norris wrote:
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
I don't know but it sounds kinda desperate to me, if you want to teleport you should be able to do it at any time.

if you wanna fix things so bad then the best thing you can do is to make teleporting possible only if your hp is above 20 (one stubby or one m60 shot would mean death if it's 20 or less) that way you can give the opponent another chance

still the server is okay as it is, rules should be worked more.

What I did here was a brainstorm I listed a few things I could think about at the top of my head and I asked for what you guys think of them and if you have any better ideas. I never said if you like 3, you have to like 2. We don't have to select all of them or even any of them. I just want to hear if anyone else has any ideas. I am not going to go for 2 if people don't want that. It's the purpose of the topic. However I personally like number 3 the best.

by **Blood Sucker** Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:06 pm

BTW Angel, do B*tch you remember when me and Helathien reported you the aimming + teleport bug? I told you to remove the freeze you said I will think about it
Now everyone suggested it, copy cats
Now I deserve donuts and level 10 in the official server to ban Andriusas91
Thanks
Bye

by h Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:44 pm

I hate other server cause of non frozen teleports pls dont.

by **=SdS=Celestia** Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:47 pm

Don't remove the frozen in tele command.
Remove the frozen in heal command.

by **UmaR** Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:50 pm

Chuck Norris wrote:
SiGNaL wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you

I believe this will affect dm experience of regular players and this will make us difficult to get used to compared to other server's gameplay

Sorry if I am not clear. I mean that if you get knocked down by stubby you can't use /heal or any teleport commands within the next 10-20 seconds. But yeah that might affect it as well.

add the position check thing. It is a lot better than freeze.

by **Blood Sucker** Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:54 pm

[KM]Helathien wrote:I hate other server cause of non frozen teleports pls dont.

PLS YAS

by **Pavonis** Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:09 pm

No 3 is the best way to solve it, I guess.

by **=SdS=Celestia** Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:34 pm

No fix tele cmds pls.
I sometimes use them to avoid drowning.

by **Pavonis** Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:38 pm

Celestia wrote:No fix tele cmds pls.
I sometimes use them to avoid drowning.

Evading from drowning isn't really some sort of rule-break.

by **MaxX** Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:30 am

Well in my opinion, we should remove freezing thing from commands like /goto, /gotoloc, /heal and many more like /joinminigame or joining job. We should add a system like when you do /heal (You will be healed in 5 seconds, if you move your /heal will be canceled) basically some kind of dectator which detects player who moved while using any command like/goto etc. Well these commands help players to drown evade, fire kill evade if some one throw Molotov on you and himself the player who throw Molotov died on his fire but his opponent did /heal /gotoloc to avoid getting killed and sniper bullets and rocket hit in long distance fight , if a player using sniper rifle made player hp low but that player did /heal or gotoloc to likely death evade or avoid getting kill. All because of that freeze thing so removing it will be better option.

by **=SdS=Celestia** Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:53 am

Pavonis wrote:
Celestia wrote:No fix tele cmds pls.
I sometimes use them to avoid drowning.
Evading from drowning isn't really some sort of rule-break.

Of course, it's useful.

by **Thunder_B!rd** Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:34 am

All you need to do is to follow the damn train.

by **Sami** Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:27 am

Thunder_Bird wrote:All you need to do is to follow the damn train.

jajajajaja

by **?????????** Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:45 am

maxbitch^ wrote:Well in my opinion, i'm gay

by **Pavonis** Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:11 am

HunTinG wrote:
maxbitch^ wrote:Well in my opinion, i'm gay

You didn't typed anything and just quoted it and that means you wanna say that you're also gay. XDDD

by **Killer_King** Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:26 am

HunTinG wrote:
maxbitch^ wrote:Well in my opinion, i'm gay

lol HunTinG leave him

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:29 am

Maxpayne^ wrote:Well in my opinion, we should remove freezing thing from commands like /goto, /gotoloc, /heal and many more like /joinminigame or joining job. We should add a system like when you do /heal (You will be healed in 5 seconds, if you move your /heal will be canceled) basically some kind of dectator which detects player who moved while using any command like/goto etc. Well these commands help players to drown evade, fire kill evade if some one throw Molotov on you and himself the player who throw Molotov died on his fire but his opponent did /heal /gotoloc to avoid getting killed and sniper bullets and rocket hit in long distance fight , if a player using sniper rifle made player hp low but that player did /heal or gotoloc to likely death evade or avoid getting kill. All because of that freeze thing so removing it will be better option.

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bruh

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:41 pm

Please bros :C.
I don't want to get drowning Crying or Very sad

my deads mostly from drowning

by **Dwayne** Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:27 pm

Maxpayne^ wrote:Well in my opinion, we should remove freezing thing from commands like /goto, /gotoloc, /heal and many more like /joinminigame or joining job. We should add a system like when you do /heal (You will be healed in 5 seconds, if you move your /heal will be canceled) basically some kind of dectator which detects player who moved while using any command like/goto etc. Well these commands help players to drown evade, fire kill evade if some one throw Molotov on you and himself the player who throw Molotov died on his fire but his opponent did /heal /gotoloc to avoid getting killed and sniper bullets and rocket hit in long distance fight , if a player using sniper rifle made player hp low but that player did /heal or gotoloc to likely death evade or avoid getting kill. All because of that freeze thing so removing it will be better option.

If Angel add that Server will like how others shits servers

by **MaxX** Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:58 pm

Jamez wrote:
Maxpayne^ wrote:Well in my opinion, we should remove freezing thing from commands like /goto, /gotoloc, /heal and many more like /joinminigame or joining job. We should add a system like when you do /heal (You will be healed in 5 seconds, if you move your /heal will be canceled) basically some kind of dectator which detects player who moved while using any command like/goto etc. Well these commands help players to drown evade, fire kill evade if some one throw Molotov on you and himself the player who throw Molotov died on his fire but his opponent did /heal /gotoloc to avoid getting killed and sniper bullets and rocket hit in long distance fight , if a player using sniper rifle made player hp low but that player did /heal or gotoloc to likely death evade or avoid getting kill. All because of that freeze thing so removing it will be better option.
If Angel add that Server will like how others shits servers

why do you think that? does freezing thing is an fun feature, how it will make less fun in server?(Not saying anything to remove freeze when you joined any parkours or races /start will be always there)

by **=SdS=Celestia** Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:07 am

Why remove freeze? It's nice.
If you find someone evade, go report.
What's the problem?

by **B!aC7.D3V!l** Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:43 am

Ok
Chuck Norris is angell or someone else?

by **=SdS=Celestia** Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:51 am

Pr0_StR!KeR^ wrote:Ok
Chuck Norris is angell or someone else?

Chuck.OfDeath = Angel Norris = BIG NERD Razz

by **B!aC7.D3V!l** Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:49 am

so why he is using 2 ids?

by **=SdS=Celestia** Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:01 am

Pr0_StR!KeR^ wrote:so why he is using 2 ids?

Hmm, go ask him..

by Guest Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:13 pm

Pr0_StR!KeR^ wrote:Ok
Chuck Norris is angell or someone else?

No he is not, Angel isn't that cool.

by **47.** Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:42 am

Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.
I don't know but I think vks would be ok with rather focusing on rules first and then gameplay second, you should think twice, there are good ideas here that need to be developed in a different way (i'm okay with freezing one as I read twice, I didn't understand at first), but still this:
Chuck Norris wrote:
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
I don't know but it sounds kinda desperate to me, if you want to teleport you should be able to do it at any time.

if you wanna fix things so bad then the best thing you can do is to make teleporting possible only if your hp is above 20 (one stubby or one m60 shot would mean death if it's 20 or less) that way you can give the opponent another chance

still the server is okay as it is, rules should be worked more.

What I did here was a brainstorm I listed a few things I could think about at the top of my head and I asked for what you guys think of them and if you have any better ideas. I never said if you like 3, you have to like 2. We don't have to select all of them or even any of them. I just want to hear if anyone else has any ideas. I am not going to go for 2 if people don't want that. It's the purpose of the topic. However I personally like number 3 the best.

3rd option is the best one here. The 2nd option will ruin the DM experience of the server because nobody have patience to wait that much.

by Guest Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:52 am

47. wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.
I don't know but I think vks would be ok with rather focusing on rules first and then gameplay second, you should think twice, there are good ideas here that need to be developed in a different way (i'm okay with freezing one as I read twice, I didn't understand at first), but still this:
Chuck Norris wrote:
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
I don't know but it sounds kinda desperate to me, if you want to teleport you should be able to do it at any time.

if you wanna fix things so bad then the best thing you can do is to make teleporting possible only if your hp is above 20 (one stubby or one m60 shot would mean death if it's 20 or less) that way you can give the opponent another chance

still the server is okay as it is, rules should be worked more.

What I did here was a brainstorm I listed a few things I could think about at the top of my head and I asked for what you guys think of them and if you have any better ideas. I never said if you like 3, you have to like 2. We don't have to select all of them or even any of them. I just want to hear if anyone else has any ideas. I am not going to go for 2 if people don't want that. It's the purpose of the topic. However I personally like number 3 the best.

3rd option is the best one here. The 2nd option will ruin the DM experience of the server because nobody have patience to wait that much.

The 3rd option is good, but we should be able to move and fight back (Of course doing that will cancel the process of healing/teleporting). Sometimes I type /heal and get killed because I'm frozen and can't fight back.

by **Pavonis** Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:57 am

Roycewicz wrote:
47. wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.
I don't know but I think vks would be ok with rather focusing on rules first and then gameplay second, you should think twice, there are good ideas here that need to be developed in a different way (i'm okay with freezing one as I read twice, I didn't understand at first), but still this:
Chuck Norris wrote:
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
I don't know but it sounds kinda desperate to me, if you want to teleport you should be able to do it at any time.

if you wanna fix things so bad then the best thing you can do is to make teleporting possible only if your hp is above 20 (one stubby or one m60 shot would mean death if it's 20 or less) that way you can give the opponent another chance

still the server is okay as it is, rules should be worked more.

What I did here was a brainstorm I listed a few things I could think about at the top of my head and I asked for what you guys think of them and if you have any better ideas. I never said if you like 3, you have to like 2. We don't have to select all of them or even any of them. I just want to hear if anyone else has any ideas. I am not going to go for 2 if people don't want that. It's the purpose of the topic. However I personally like number 3 the best.

3rd option is the best one here. The 2nd option will ruin the DM experience of the server because nobody have patience to wait that much.

The 3rd option is good, but we should be able to move and fight back (Of course doing that will cancel the process of healing/teleporting). Sometimes I type /heal and get killed because I'm frozen and can't fight back.

+1.

by **47.** Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:14 am

Roycewicz wrote:
47. wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:
Chuck Norris wrote:
HunTinG wrote:any of these changes will screw the server's gameplay
you got any rulebreak? report. don't try to prevent it by f ucking up the server

Removing freeze will F*ck up the server? In what way. It's a flaw in VC-MP that freeze makes you invincible to certain weapons and it might be best to change the system since so many people are abusing these commands to get an advantage in combat.
I don't know but I think vks would be ok with rather focusing on rules first and then gameplay second, you should think twice, there are good ideas here that need to be developed in a different way (i'm okay with freezing one as I read twice, I didn't understand at first), but still this:
Chuck Norris wrote:
2. We add that you have to wait 10-20 seconds to use a teleport, heal or command that freezes you, if you have been recently knocked down with stubby. Plus we add so you can't use the commands if you're on fire as well. Will number 2 help against command abuse or do you feel like it's not enough.
I don't know but it sounds kinda desperate to me, if you want to teleport you should be able to do it at any time.

if you wanna fix things so bad then the best thing you can do is to make teleporting possible only if your hp is above 20 (one stubby or one m60 shot would mean death if it's 20 or less) that way you can give the opponent another chance

still the server is okay as it is, rules should be worked more.

What I did here was a brainstorm I listed a few things I could think about at the top of my head and I asked for what you guys think of them and if you have any better ideas. I never said if you like 3, you have to like 2. We don't have to select all of them or even any of them. I just want to hear if anyone else has any ideas. I am not going to go for 2 if people don't want that. It's the purpose of the topic. However I personally like number 3 the best.

3rd option is the best one here. The 2nd option will ruin the DM experience of the server because nobody have patience to wait that much.

The 3rd option is good, but we should be able to move and fight back (Of course doing that will cancel the process of healing/teleporting). Sometimes I type /heal and get killed because I'm frozen and can't fight back.

That's what advantage you have when you are not freeze and defence yourself and type /heal again when you are alone.

by **=SdS=Celestia** Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:29 am

Fixed now?

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