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Post by Plus Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:34 am

you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.
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Post by Vipe[R] Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:48 am

That bug shall not be allowed.
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Post by KAKAN Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:01 am

Plus, we don't have bad opinions about your slides. But, its a "VCMP bug", not a technique. That's what we're saying. "Exploiting" bugs is not a good thing, and so is not allowed everywhere.
For ex: the nogoto bug, you can abuse it, but its not fair because, it's a "bug", not a "technique". While, you can use /distance and find the player yourself, which is fair, as that's a "technique" and not a "bug"
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Post by Naruto[U] Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:13 am

KAKAN wrote:Plus, we don't have bad opinions about your slides. But, its a "VCMP bug", not a technique. That's what we're saying. "Exploiting" bugs is not a good thing, and so is not allowed everywhere.
For ex: the nogoto bug, you can abuse it, but its not fair because, it's a "bug", not a "technique". While, you can use /distance and find the player yourself, which is fair, as that's a "technique" and not a "bug"

But, the thing is said it on the rule, make this one as allowed. Because he is switching the wep, stopping and doing it again. This depends about your fast fingers and your pc (if it`s a good and faster pc like Hari and Stylish or if you have a big ping like Thinh and other  player from Asia continent.)

Anyways, if this c glitch on hard level is not allowed, so the normal one is not allowed too. because is the same but just a little bit harder. Now, to stop all kind of bugs for slide C Glitch, add the system of LW, disable +crouch and all will be solved.

PD: Don`t use that example to explain other thing lol. We are talking about a VCMP exploit - bug bla bla, no a bug from VK`s system of the server. Are really different.


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Now, the problem around this discussion, is their Asian continent ping.
But, as i said already, this "exploit, bug" however you guys want to call it, is allowed as it`s typed on the rules. They are shooting, stoping, switching and repeating all of that, as C glitch slide, etc etc. is the same. As i know, like a player who was teached about it.

Please, don`t try to change the rule now guys.


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I'm with you Thinh D:
They are jealous cz cant found bugs as u do. Razz
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=SdS=KrlozZ... wrote:I'm with you Thinh D:
They are jealous cz cant found bugs as u do. Razz

Carlos, i think this topic is not to be a funny person. This time xd.


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Post by Naruto[U] Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:40 am

Vipe[R] wrote:That bug shall not be allowed.

Are you sure? because the rule says other thing about this bug (Like C glitch slide is).
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no double post pls
And krlozz, we all know that no one can find out bugs like thinh
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=SdS=KrlozZ... wrote:I'm with you Thinh D:
They are jealous cz cant found bugs as u do. Razz
Krloz -_- dont take his side because he teach that bug to u what kind of admin u are same as naruto -_-
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Post by ЧК. Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:05 am

Thinh very emotional post. Sad

In my opinion if it can be done by anyone then should be allowed. If you want to disallow the use of these bugs/glitches then should disallow crouch like in LW. You can't disallow a certain style of play when others think it's a hack just because they don't know how to do it. If anyone has a problem with players taking advantage of their pings then make a max ping limit of 250 or 300. We've banned Thinh many times giving the reason of slide hacks and then he has to tell his secret tricks to everyone to prove himself innocent when he shouldn't have because everyone is going to has the right to keep their tricks/style a secret to make them a unique player. We've already been so unjust with Thinh and because of this we should stop, we're just forcing him to teach all his secret tricks to everyone which he has the right to keep private.

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Post by Chuck Norris Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:06 am

Plus wrote:you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.

It's hard to read this, but from what I can read here's my opinion: It doesn't matter what happens in your screen, what matters is what happens on the server. So if you appear to be running while shooting, that Counts as a violation to the sliding rule.

Why are we unfair? We can't fix VC-MP and there are a lot of exploit you guys are doing that we allow, but to be honest if someone was reported for sliding/speed hack, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and your exploit.

We disallow the things we can see clearly and if you do this exploit you're clearly shooting while moving with a weapon you're not supposed to be able to do that with.

Also other players will Think that you're hacking and leave the server and request us to ban you. That's unavoidable.

I will open a management topic to discuss this further with the rest what we should do about the situation.
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Post by ЧК. Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:09 am

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Yes, when someone is racist with you then you rage and request ban, now what do you want me to do with you?

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Post by Naruto[U] Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:22 am

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=SdS=KrlozZ... wrote:I'm with you Thinh D:
They are jealous cz cant found bugs as u do. Razz
Krloz -_- dont take his side because he teach that bug to u  what kind of admin u are same as naruto -_-

Lol, i don`t know if you read what you said, but you are admiting that you are jealous because you can`t do it.

Wait wait, same as me? what are you trying to say? that i am with Thinh because he is my good friend? you are wrong.

I don`t care if anybody is my friend, my girlfriend or my family, when we are talking in a responsable topic, i need, sorry "need" is wrong, i will be 100% honest on whatever kind of things i say. if i need to give you a real opinion about any topic, i will be an honest person, because if i go from the side of friends, you won`t trust on me anymore.

This not depends about who is the friend of who. This topic is around which is the truthly thing we need.

So, as Angel posted previously on Hari`s Post. The rule is there, and i am speaking an honest opinion just from one side, my own one. Why? Because, as i am a player who was teached on that new skill, so i can tell to all of you guys than this exploit is ALLOWED like C glitch Slider is.

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i hope you are joking. if it not, i will call you a real racist and dumbass guy, lol. or being exactly, as i know, you are the enemy of Thinh since i played on VK`s server so, i know why you said that.


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Post by Naruto[U] Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:36 am

4K. wrote:Thinh very emotional post. Sad

In my opinion if it can be done by anyone then should be allowed. If you want to disallow the use of these bugs/glitches then should disallow crouch like in LW. You can't disallow a certain style of play when others think it's a hack just because they don't know how to do it. If anyone has a problem with players taking advantage of their pings then make a max ping limit of 250 or 300. We've banned Thinh many times giving the reason of slide hacks and then he has to tell his secret tricks to everyone to prove himself innocent when he shouldn't have because everyone is going to has the right to keep their tricks/style a secret to make them a unique player. We've already been so unjust with Thinh and because of this we should stop, we're just forcing him to teach all his secret tricks to everyone which he has the right to keep private.

Yup, like you said 4k.

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Plus wrote:you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.

It's hard to read this, but from what I can read here's my opinion: It doesn't matter what happens in your screen, what matters is what happens on the server. So if you appear to be running while shooting, that Counts as a violation to the sliding rule.

Why are we unfair? We can't fix VC-MP and there are a lot of exploit you guys are doing that we allow, but to be honest if someone was reported for sliding/speed hack, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and your exploit.

We disallow the things we can see clearly and if you do this exploit you're clearly shooting while moving with a weapon you're not supposed to be able to do that with.

Also other players will Think that you're hacking and leave the server and request us to ban you. That's unavoidable.

I will open a management topic to discuss this further with the rest what we should do about the situation.

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The problem is just around their pings, is not exactly for VCMP exploits or any kind of speed hacks.

Well, i will give you a 1+ point about the thing you said (Our screen and what happen on the server) But this time, is not a violation in my opinion. Because, they are shooting, sliding 1 second while shooting, stop it, move and repeat, if it hard to do it? Yes, is really hard to do it and you can hurts yourself on your fingers. Hari`s video show you how Thinh was sliding while shooting, but Hari stop recording when Thinh got stop his slides. So... is not a rule break as is typed on Sliding Rules.

In end, i will wait the magnament`s topic`s Opinions when you guys post it.


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Krloz -_- dont take his side because he teach that bug to u  what kind of admin u are same as naruto -_-

Not really i was with him since he did that slide bug .-. And i was not friend of thinh i hated him and still hating him :p thinh know that :]]
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Post by Plus Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:23 am

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Plus wrote:you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.

It's hard to read this, but from what I can read here's my opinion: It doesn't matter what happens in your screen, what matters is what happens on the server. So if you appear to be running while shooting, that Counts as a violation to the sliding rule.

Why are we unfair? We can't fix VC-MP and there are a lot of exploit you guys are doing that we allow, but to be honest if someone was reported for sliding/speed hack, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and your exploit.

We disallow the things we can see clearly and if you do this exploit you're clearly shooting while moving with a weapon you're not supposed to be able to do that with.

Also other players will Think that you're hacking and leave the server and request us to ban you. That's unavoidable.

I will open a management topic to discuss this further with the rest what we should do about the situation.
i know it will be unfair for new member and for players dont know about it, but they are just same at me when the first time i played VCMP, but i didnt leave the server, i practised and learned, i didnt give up, only noob give up. And my slide still be allowed, bcz it is not break the rule.
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They are jealous cz cant found bugs as u do. Razz
Krloz -_- dont take his side because he teach that bug to u  what kind of admin u are same as naruto -_-

Not really i was with him since he did that slide bug .-. And i was not friend of thinh i hated him and still hating him :p thinh know that :]]
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==NarutoUzumaki== wrote:
4K. wrote:Thinh very emotional post. Sad

In my opinion if it can be done by anyone then should be allowed. If you want to disallow the use of these bugs/glitches then should disallow crouch like in LW. You can't disallow a certain style of play when others think it's a hack just because they don't know how to do it. If anyone has a problem with players taking advantage of their pings then make a max ping limit of 250 or 300. We've banned Thinh many times giving the reason of slide hacks and then he has to tell his secret tricks to everyone to prove himself innocent when he shouldn't have because everyone is going to has the right to keep their tricks/style a secret to make them a unique player. We've already been so unjust with Thinh and because of this we should stop, we're just forcing him to teach all his secret tricks to everyone which he has the right to keep private.

Yup, like you said 4k.

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Plus wrote:you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.

It's hard to read this, but from what I can read here's my opinion: It doesn't matter what happens in your screen, what matters is what happens on the server. So if you appear to be running while shooting, that Counts as a violation to the sliding rule.

Why are we unfair? We can't fix VC-MP and there are a lot of exploit you guys are doing that we allow, but to be honest if someone was reported for sliding/speed hack, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and your exploit.

We disallow the things we can see clearly and if you do this exploit you're clearly shooting while moving with a weapon you're not supposed to be able to do that with.

Also other players will Think that you're hacking and leave the server and request us to ban you. That's unavoidable.

I will open a management topic to discuss this further with the rest what we should do about the situation.

Takara.... ("How i said" on japanese)

The problem is just around their pings, is not exactly for VCMP exploits or any kind of speed hacks.

Well, i will give you a 1+ point about the thing you said (Our screen and what happen on the server) But this time, is not a violation in my opinion. Because, they are shooting, sliding 1 second while shooting, stop it, move and repeat, if it hard to do it? Yes, is really hard to do it and you can hurts yourself on your fingers. Hari`s video show you how Thinh was sliding while shooting, but Hari stop recording when Thinh got stop his slides.

In end, i will wait the magnament`s topic`s Opinions when you guys post it.
Retard dont double post.
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==NarutoUzumaki== wrote:
4K. wrote:Thinh very emotional post. Sad

In my opinion if it can be done by anyone then should be allowed. If you want to disallow the use of these bugs/glitches then should disallow crouch like in LW. You can't disallow a certain style of play when others think it's a hack just because they don't know how to do it. If anyone has a problem with players taking advantage of their pings then make a max ping limit of 250 or 300. We've banned Thinh many times giving the reason of slide hacks and then he has to tell his secret tricks to everyone to prove himself innocent when he shouldn't have because everyone is going to has the right to keep their tricks/style a secret to make them a unique player. We've already been so unjust with Thinh and because of this we should stop, we're just forcing him to teach all his secret tricks to everyone which he has the right to keep private.

Yup, like you said 4k.

Chuck Norris wrote:
Plus wrote:you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.

It's hard to read this, but from what I can read here's my opinion: It doesn't matter what happens in your screen, what matters is what happens on the server. So if you appear to be running while shooting, that Counts as a violation to the sliding rule.

Why are we unfair? We can't fix VC-MP and there are a lot of exploit you guys are doing that we allow, but to be honest if someone was reported for sliding/speed hack, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and your exploit.

We disallow the things we can see clearly and if you do this exploit you're clearly shooting while moving with a weapon you're not supposed to be able to do that with.

Also other players will Think that you're hacking and leave the server and request us to ban you. That's unavoidable.

I will open a management topic to discuss this further with the rest what we should do about the situation.

Takara.... ("How i said" on japanese)

The problem is just around their pings, is not exactly for VCMP exploits or any kind of speed hacks.

Well, i will give you a 1+ point about the thing you said (Our screen and what happen on the server) But this time, is not a violation in my opinion. Because, they are shooting, sliding 1 second while shooting, stop it, move and repeat, if it hard to do it? Yes, is really hard to do it and you can hurts yourself on your fingers. Hari`s video show you how Thinh was sliding while shooting, but Hari stop recording when Thinh got stop his slides.

In end, i will wait the magnament`s topic`s Opinions when you guys post it.
Retard dont double post.

You should be go to sleep a little and refresh your racist kid brain.
Btw, you are not an admin, so you can`t tell me what i can`t do.
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Post by Vipe[R] Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:40 am

==NarutoUzumaki== wrote:
Vipe[R] wrote:
==NarutoUzumaki== wrote:
4K. wrote:Thinh very emotional post. Sad

In my opinion if it can be done by anyone then should be allowed. If you want to disallow the use of these bugs/glitches then should disallow crouch like in LW. You can't disallow a certain style of play when others think it's a hack just because they don't know how to do it. If anyone has a problem with players taking advantage of their pings then make a max ping limit of 250 or 300. We've banned Thinh many times giving the reason of slide hacks and then he has to tell his secret tricks to everyone to prove himself innocent when he shouldn't have because everyone is going to has the right to keep their tricks/style a secret to make them a unique player. We've already been so unjust with Thinh and because of this we should stop, we're just forcing him to teach all his secret tricks to everyone which he has the right to keep private.

Yup, like you said 4k.

Chuck Norris wrote:
Plus wrote:you always have bad opinions about our slides, why ?, this is not RolePlay server, maybe it does, but not at all. the slide you guys saw in hari's video, it was new slide, RainY found it as he said to me. i have to say it very weird and fast, i have been surprised a lot. But it is not hack, all are ghost shoot, combination with a little bug and your finger speed, mostly is your finger speed, you can do it easy, as u saw in that video, i stopped, then shot , then moved then stopped again, but my lag made me faster than normally. Moving, stopping, switching weapons, shooting once/twice, then moving again is not sliding, it was right based on the rule so why it is not allowed ? bcz it is so fast and no one in you guys can do it so it is not allowed ? really ?, this is the 3rd times you guys reported about our slides. i agreed the slide at the first time was rule broken, bcz it was shooting while moving, but this slide is not, so you cant stop me doing it, or change the rules, disallow people to do C-Glitch better is disable Crouch, or make this server to be a RolePlay server. i always feels unfair when play this server. but the players in server are very friendly so i didnt leave server. thats all i want to say, do whatever you want, im tired.

It's hard to read this, but from what I can read here's my opinion: It doesn't matter what happens in your screen, what matters is what happens on the server. So if you appear to be running while shooting, that Counts as a violation to the sliding rule.

Why are we unfair? We can't fix VC-MP and there are a lot of exploit you guys are doing that we allow, but to be honest if someone was reported for sliding/speed hack, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and your exploit.

We disallow the things we can see clearly and if you do this exploit you're clearly shooting while moving with a weapon you're not supposed to be able to do that with.

Also other players will Think that you're hacking and leave the server and request us to ban you. That's unavoidable.

I will open a management topic to discuss this further with the rest what we should do about the situation.

Takara.... ("How i said" on japanese)

The problem is just around their pings, is not exactly for VCMP exploits or any kind of speed hacks.

Well, i will give you a 1+ point about the thing you said (Our screen and what happen on the server) But this time, is not a violation in my opinion. Because, they are shooting, sliding 1 second while shooting, stop it, move and repeat, if it hard to do it? Yes, is really hard to do it and you can hurts yourself on your fingers. Hari`s video show you how Thinh was sliding while shooting, but Hari stop recording when Thinh got stop his slides.

In end, i will wait the magnament`s topic`s Opinions when you guys post it.
Retard dont double post.

You should be go to sleep a little and refresh your racist kid brain.
Btw, you are not an admin, so you can`t tell me what i can`t do.
I can report you but when i report you start crying i can't tell what to do then read the rules.
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