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Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
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Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
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EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
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Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
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EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
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1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
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EK.CrystalBlue wrote:1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
3. Okay
1. It happens in very small steps. You are still thinking in terms of small steps that monkey magically turned into a human. It's not like that. It's like saying your hair immediately Went from short to long, there are several steps in between. I had some family issues to deal with which is the reason I had to interrupt my post. You're wrong what I was explaining with the genes was mutation. Mutations gives small Changes. You bring up: Where did the cell come from that's Another billion steps, which is why it's hard for someone who doesn't care that much to explain it. I believe Everything can happen as a result of billions of very unoticable Changes. I still don't understand what you mean and It would be interesting to hear your argument why evolution doesn't work. I am not sure if you said that in the post.
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My argument to why it doesn't work is that if evolution happened, we would be able to breed with gorillas and bears and basically all animals. The moment where a mutation occurs when someone can't breed with their species, they... just can't breed to recreate that mutation.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
3. Okay
1. It happens in very small steps. You are still thinking in terms of small steps that monkey magically turned into a human. It's not like that. It's like saying your hair immediately Went from short to long, there are several steps in between. I had some family issues to deal with which is the reason I had to interrupt my post. You're wrong what I was explaining with the genes was mutation. Mutations gives small Changes. You bring up: Where did the cell come from that's Another billion steps, which is why it's hard for someone who doesn't care that much to explain it. I believe Everything can happen as a result of billions of very unoticable Changes. I still don't understand what you mean and It would be interesting to hear your argument why evolution doesn't work. I am not sure if you said that in the post.
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EK.CrystalBlue wrote:My argument to why it doesn't work is that if evolution happened, we would be able to breed with gorillas and bears and basically all animals. The moment where a mutation occurs when someone can't breed with their species, they... just can't breed to recreate that mutation.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
3. Okay
1. It happens in very small steps. You are still thinking in terms of small steps that monkey magically turned into a human. It's not like that. It's like saying your hair immediately Went from short to long, there are several steps in between. I had some family issues to deal with which is the reason I had to interrupt my post. You're wrong what I was explaining with the genes was mutation. Mutations gives small Changes. You bring up: Where did the cell come from that's Another billion steps, which is why it's hard for someone who doesn't care that much to explain it. I believe Everything can happen as a result of billions of very unoticable Changes. I still don't understand what you mean and It would be interesting to hear your argument why evolution doesn't work. I am not sure if you said that in the post.
The evolution theory from what I can remember says that we all come from the same specie. It doesn't say that we are necessarily related to each specie. For example specie Y, Z, X might have envolved from the original specify, but might have envolved in different directions. Which might mean that specify X and y and z might have been able to have Children since they are so Close, but 100th envolved specify from y might not be compatable with X 100th envolved specie.
Also the definition of a specie is that we can't have Children outside our specie. You can also Think about it in terms of genes. Genes are not compatible if they are completely differnet.
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Yes, but even if you evolve in different directions, and be very different, the moment a mutation prevents you from reproducing, there. The mutation gets destroyed. Also, they'd also cross-breed preventing them from going in different directions, or at least have the one in the middle compatible with the two, and then breed to produce some more compatible which means they will again be able to interbreed.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:My argument to why it doesn't work is that if evolution happened, we would be able to breed with gorillas and bears and basically all animals. The moment where a mutation occurs when someone can't breed with their species, they... just can't breed to recreate that mutation.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
3. Okay
1. It happens in very small steps. You are still thinking in terms of small steps that monkey magically turned into a human. It's not like that. It's like saying your hair immediately Went from short to long, there are several steps in between. I had some family issues to deal with which is the reason I had to interrupt my post. You're wrong what I was explaining with the genes was mutation. Mutations gives small Changes. You bring up: Where did the cell come from that's Another billion steps, which is why it's hard for someone who doesn't care that much to explain it. I believe Everything can happen as a result of billions of very unoticable Changes. I still don't understand what you mean and It would be interesting to hear your argument why evolution doesn't work. I am not sure if you said that in the post.
The evolution theory from what I can remember says that we all come from the same specie. It doesn't say that we are necessarily related to each specie. For example specie Y, Z, X might have envolved from the original specify, but might have envolved in different directions. Which might mean that specify X and y and z might have been able to have Children since they are so Close, but 100th envolved specify from y might not be compatable with X 100th envolved specie.
Also the definition of a specie is that we can't have Children outside our specie. You can also Think about it in terms of genes. Genes are not compatible if they are completely differnet.
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EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Yes, but even if you evolve in different directions, and be very different, the moment a mutation prevents you from reproducing, there. The mutation gets destroyed. Also, they'd also cross-breed preventing them from going in different directions, or at least have the one in the middle compatible with the two, and then breed to produce some more compatible which means they will again be able to interbreed.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:My argument to why it doesn't work is that if evolution happened, we would be able to breed with gorillas and bears and basically all animals. The moment where a mutation occurs when someone can't breed with their species, they... just can't breed to recreate that mutation.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
3. Okay
1. It happens in very small steps. You are still thinking in terms of small steps that monkey magically turned into a human. It's not like that. It's like saying your hair immediately Went from short to long, there are several steps in between. I had some family issues to deal with which is the reason I had to interrupt my post. You're wrong what I was explaining with the genes was mutation. Mutations gives small Changes. You bring up: Where did the cell come from that's Another billion steps, which is why it's hard for someone who doesn't care that much to explain it. I believe Everything can happen as a result of billions of very unoticable Changes. I still don't understand what you mean and It would be interesting to hear your argument why evolution doesn't work. I am not sure if you said that in the post.
The evolution theory from what I can remember says that we all come from the same specie. It doesn't say that we are necessarily related to each specie. For example specie Y, Z, X might have envolved from the original specify, but might have envolved in different directions. Which might mean that specify X and y and z might have been able to have Children since they are so Close, but 100th envolved specify from y might not be compatable with X 100th envolved specie.
Also the definition of a specie is that we can't have Children outside our specie. You can also Think about it in terms of genes. Genes are not compatible if they are completely differnet.
Man it never happens that for example step 1 million +2 gets not compatitable with step 1 million +3. It happens with for example wth step 1000 and step 1 million. I probably did the wrong thing by explaining it in steps. It's probably better to explain it as there are several species of each step alive. By the Point the first one get to step 1 million there will already be several animals in every step inbetween that it can mate with.
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All breeds of - lets say - dogs can interbreed with each other, despite the fact that they have a lot of differences.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Yes, but even if you evolve in different directions, and be very different, the moment a mutation prevents you from reproducing, there. The mutation gets destroyed. Also, they'd also cross-breed preventing them from going in different directions, or at least have the one in the middle compatible with the two, and then breed to produce some more compatible which means they will again be able to interbreed.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:My argument to why it doesn't work is that if evolution happened, we would be able to breed with gorillas and bears and basically all animals. The moment where a mutation occurs when someone can't breed with their species, they... just can't breed to recreate that mutation.Chuck Norris wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:1. That's not how evolution works. Evolution adapts a species to its environment. We could've been in much worse conditions. Also, something I thought of long ago to prove the evolution theory wrong (only part of it to be exact, however it's enough for it to be impossible to go from monkey to human). Oh, and, you have to know this too - most of evolution doesn't happen by small changes, it happens either by mutation or by species with some features surviving and all others wiped out. Let's say some monkey evolves into a human. However, the human must be able to breed with the monkey. If the human can't breed with the monkey, then they would immediately go extinct once a new mutation which is incompatible with previous versions is introduced. The verses I gave told us some possibilities that might have happened if Allah wanted and we wouldn't be here.VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Let's see your solutionsVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Okay, I'll get an answer video to that soon ISAVK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:Haha I have been watching Gordon Ramsay on Youtube and this video tumbnail came up (the Picture Before you start the video) came up next to Crystal's video.
Excuse my English in this post. I just wanted to write this fast.
The joke here is that ramsay seems to not want to Watch your video Crystal, he is avoiding it xD.
Either way to answer your question: You claim that you know Everything and that Everything is already explained through a creator. To me it's not that easy, I don't believe we have the answer to Everything. But a creator to me is just a possible solution.
To what we can imagine there are some possible ways the universe could've been created.
Those solutions are:
1. Someone or something have Always been there, like a divine being like Allah or any other gods through history. This leaves to the smaller question how can something always have existed? The answer to that question is probably not answered anywhere, it's just something you have to accept if you believe in this. There is also the big bang theory that Believes that energy has always existed because energy as we know it can't be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms.
My thoughts on this: It's easy to look at something complex as a human and say: How the hell do you build that shit. Well give it a couple of billions year (from the Creation of the universe) with billions of small step and it might make sense to you. Obviously you can't go through billions of step to answer your question, but you can go from step 1 to step 1 million and imagine the steps between. I believe the energy part more than I believe in a creator, that doesn't mean that I am right or that it is true, it is just simply a belief. We don't Think much about this question in my country. The subject only comes up when someone asks you. Some people just say: I believe in a creator, I don't believe in a creator and we move on to the next subject. The answer to this question doesn't affect our Life or make anyone an enemy here. I like to listen to other people's beliefs it's very interesting to look at Life from different perspectives.
2. Nothing created something, this is something that is hard to believe in and to most people impossible. I am open to it and do not claim that it is impossible, because I don't know Everything there is to know about the universe, but I believe in 1 more.
3. This is an interesting theory I heard, someone in the universe found a way to Went back in time somewhere in the future Before the big bang and basically started the big bang by leaving. This to me is kinda hard to believe since time only exist within our universe + time is a complicated thing to understand xD.
Can't you just write a text about it ? It will go faster. I am interested to hear your answer but I am hope it is not going to be: Going through all my sentences and finding the one sentence that is wrong and ignoring the other ones.
1. Creation is a concept which Allah has made for us. Allah SWT is outside of creations and the Quran says many times that he is not created/born.
You can see complex things, but think - why is it so perfect?
"Then tell Me! about seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful" 56:63-65
"Then tell Me about the water that you drink. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? If We willed, We verily could make it salt , why then do you not give thanks" 56:68-70
2. This violates many of the laws of physics, and what caused it to happen? Something that major does not happen by itself, especially when - well... the concept of nothing is very hard to comprehend - but especially when it's in nothing.
3. That universe, then, must be made from one of the two choices above, and I already disproved 2.
1. I have no idea what that quote means Crystal. It doesn't tell me anything. You kinda ignored my point. How can something be so perfect? The problem is that you answer a question like there is no other possiblity. To me what you said is one possibility, but I can Think about more.
- Something can be made perfect with trial and error. The universe has existed for a very long time through billions of very small unnoticable Everything can happen. For example there is an article about the evolution of the Eye. You can see how Eye starts over being very flaud in animals and how it Changes and evolves to the better in other creatures up to us, where it is perfect. Is it possible that a god could've changed this? Of course that's a possibility. But there is also other possibilites like evolution, how we all envolved through Little cells to humans in the course of billions of years. It's hard to Picture that theory (and it's just a theory you don't have to believe it, but you can if you're opened minded try to understand why people believe in it) if you just see it as one big step: from humans to cells. But the problem here is that some people won't accept/understand something until you see all the steps, but you can obviously not learn all the billions of steps yourself. So how do you explain it? This Picture here tries to explain it, but is not very successful at doing so for everyone and I will try to explain why.
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I remember a joke in South park that said so evolution basically works like this: That monkey fucked that monkey and turn into that monkey infront of him. Which is very funny. But the thing is this Picture may show step 1 -> step 1 million -> step 10 million -> step 1 billion -> step 10 billion. It jumps over a lot of steps with no noticable difference. You can see the difference between step 1 and 1 million, but it's impossible to see the difference between step 1 and 10 for example. Why?
Note I am not an expert at this btw. This is a very complex subject and is not as easy to understand as your belief. There are many quesitons and there are many assumptions that has to be made for one to believe in this.
Because the evolution theory (that I do not claim is right) says that humans adapt/Changes due to two things: Our genetic building block (that is a combinations of our mother and fathers building block that in turns in the combination of their parents building block in random different ways) and to the Environment, but we do it very very very slowly. One born monkey doesn't all of a sudden turn into a human, that was the result of billions of very small unnoticable Changes that eventually together combined into a noticable change. Let's take for example your hair. You take a Picture of your hair every day for 2 months without cutting it. Will you see a difference between day 1 and day 2? Most likely not, but you might see a difference between day 1 and day 10. That's an example of small unnoticable Changes that as they grew in numbers actually turned into a noticable change.
Now let's go back to the monkeys that I will divide in steps where each generation of monkeys (Children) is a step.
First let's talk about hair: Evolution says that we change a little according to Environment and our parents, I am not going to go into details of how we do that since I don't know all the details myself, I only know the details I need to believe in it. So the belief is that we change slowly. In step 1 100 % of the monkies might have 100 % of it's original hair. But in step 3-10 the temperature of Earth might increase by 0.001 % in total which means that 0.001 % of the monkies might lose half a straw of hair and when these 0.001 % monkies had sex with the majority their Children might with a very small possibility be born with half a straw less of hair. This is an example of how adapting works. Now repeat this a billion of times and you might have 0.5 % of the monkies with no hair and 0.04 % with half the hair and 0.0001 % with half a straw less hair. It's all random really. I am not going to write 1000 pages, so I hope you understand some of the detail.
Intelligence: For each generation you can Think that the gene combination becomes 0.001 % better or doesn't Changes. From generation 1 to 1000 the intelligence might increase by 0.01 % because the gene combination becomes better.
This is a poor attempt at explaining this but I am not trying to convince you that I am right, because I can't really prove that, it's just a belief. I hope you got something out of it. It's hard to explain something with a 1 billions steps, it much more easier to imagine it. One small step a time.
2. It was just a possiblity. When you Think about it there are 3 things that we can imagine is the case and yeah as I said not many people believe in that one.
3. I don't believe in that one either but it is an interesting theory that we created ourself. It doesn't have to be true or not be able to be proven wrong for it to be a belief.
The cell also has to come. The cell can not come by itself, when it comes, it has to be absolutely perfect, since it has to reproduce. It can't happen in steps - you don't have many generations. You have a single cell and if that cell cannot reproduce then... well... it can't evolve to reproduce as it can't reproduce and introduce a mutation which allows it to reproduce.
2. Okay
3. Okay
1. It happens in very small steps. You are still thinking in terms of small steps that monkey magically turned into a human. It's not like that. It's like saying your hair immediately Went from short to long, there are several steps in between. I had some family issues to deal with which is the reason I had to interrupt my post. You're wrong what I was explaining with the genes was mutation. Mutations gives small Changes. You bring up: Where did the cell come from that's Another billion steps, which is why it's hard for someone who doesn't care that much to explain it. I believe Everything can happen as a result of billions of very unoticable Changes. I still don't understand what you mean and It would be interesting to hear your argument why evolution doesn't work. I am not sure if you said that in the post.
The evolution theory from what I can remember says that we all come from the same specie. It doesn't say that we are necessarily related to each specie. For example specie Y, Z, X might have envolved from the original specify, but might have envolved in different directions. Which might mean that specify X and y and z might have been able to have Children since they are so Close, but 100th envolved specify from y might not be compatable with X 100th envolved specie.
Also the definition of a specie is that we can't have Children outside our specie. You can also Think about it in terms of genes. Genes are not compatible if they are completely differnet.
Man it never happens that for example step 1 million +2 gets not compatitable with step 1 million +3. It happens with for example wth step 1000 and step 1 million. I probably did the wrong thing by explaining it in steps. It's probably better to explain it as there are several species of each step alive. By the Point the first one get to step 1 million there will already be several animals in every step inbetween that it can mate with.
Also, it has to start from a single cell and how would that cell come? That cell can't just evolve and simply perfect itself, because for evolution you need mutations, and mutations are by reproduction, and that cell hasn't evolved to reproduce thus cant reproduce to evolve and... well... opens a paradox. That's why you do need God to make it.
Also, if you find that a part of a book is true, you didn't find any part that is false and you're not sure about the other parts, you can safely assume that all the other parts are true, especially in religious books.
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* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
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VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
most humans act like monkies so i agree with sufy xD. also human evolution into ponies is unavoidable .
i dont know about the islam religion but most of the stuff in the bible has been proven wrong, i think it was just written by a bunch of humans like 2000 years ago to explain the world they did not yet understand (talking about the bible only because i dont know anything about islam book )
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The quran is different.Rainbow Dash wrote:VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
most humans act like monkies so i agree with sufy xD. also human evolution into ponies is unavoidable .
i dont know about the islam religion but most of the stuff in the bible has been proven wrong, i think it was just written by a bunch of humans like 2000 years ago to explain the world they did not yet understand (talking about the bible only because i dont know anything about islam book )
Many things such as embryology and the earth being round and more are in the Quran.
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Here's the Quran: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]EK.CrystalBlue wrote:The quran is different.Rainbow Dash wrote:VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
most humans act like monkies so i agree with sufy xD. also human evolution into ponies is unavoidable .
i dont know about the islam religion but most of the stuff in the bible has been proven wrong, i think it was just written by a bunch of humans like 2000 years ago to explain the world they did not yet understand (talking about the bible only because i dont know anything about islam book )
Many things such as embryology and the earth being round and more are in the Quran.
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VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
Sufy calm down, I didn't come up with the theory and don't have to see the theory as fact. The big bang theory simply describes what happened right after the universe was created and tries to describe every part of what happened next. The energy thing is just a belief that has things that support that it might have been that way, I am pretty sure that there are no clear proof that it is 100 % true. There is no clear proof we can't know what happened before time and space was created, it is just speculations to my knowledge that has some facts to support it.
Also if you care to know the answers behind those questions you could just do some research. The thing about science is that you can't find all the answer and you can't know all the answers. But you do your best to find all the answers you can through research. I personally find it harder to believe that some book has all the answers to life than I do to believe people who actually does research and come up with theories themselves based on some facts/proof that doesn't necessarily say that they're right, but at least supports the theory a little.
For example me and two friends find a red rock on the street. One friend says this stone has been put here by god, the other friend says I have done some research and found out that there is a group of people called "red rocks" that paints rocks red. Neither of the theories prove anything, but I believe the second story more and I have the right to believe whatever I think sounds more logical.
The difference between us is simple and you have to respect that.
You:
God exists theory: 100 % sure it's true.
Other theories: 0 % sure it's true.
Me:
God exist theory: x % sure it's true.
Other theories: y % sure it's true.
Where y > x for me at the moment, but that doesn't mean that I can't let go of my pride if I am wrong. It's just what I believe has to do with me and not anyone else.
I am not a stupid idiot like some people on the internet that talks trash about other people's belief, just because it doesn't match your own. It's just a belief there is nothing harmful with it. If you want to convince someone else that they are wrong, go ahead, but do it with love and respect.
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EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Here's the Quran: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]EK.CrystalBlue wrote:The quran is different.Rainbow Dash wrote:VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
most humans act like monkies so i agree with sufy xD. also human evolution into ponies is unavoidable .
i dont know about the islam religion but most of the stuff in the bible has been proven wrong, i think it was just written by a bunch of humans like 2000 years ago to explain the world they did not yet understand (talking about the bible only because i dont know anything about islam book )
Many things such as embryology and the earth being round and more are in the Quran.
Bullshit the earth is shaped like a square.
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VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Here's the Quran: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]EK.CrystalBlue wrote:The quran is different.Rainbow Dash wrote:VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
most humans act like monkies so i agree with sufy xD. also human evolution into ponies is unavoidable .
i dont know about the islam religion but most of the stuff in the bible has been proven wrong, i think it was just written by a bunch of humans like 2000 years ago to explain the world they did not yet understand (talking about the bible only because i dont know anything about islam book )
Many things such as embryology and the earth being round and more are in the Quran.
Bullshit the earth is shaped like a square.
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You know that I am joking.
wat r u talking?... the earth is an amoeba (can change its shape)
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AddeR^ wrote:VK.Angel.OfDeath wrote:EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Here's the Quran: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]EK.CrystalBlue wrote:The quran is different.Rainbow Dash wrote:VK.SuFy wrote:* A monkey can't evolve into a Human (Even if it's step 1 to step 1 million) But a human can evolve into a Monkey, It has happened many years ago and I won't go in detail (Evolution of Monkey into Human is basically a Story of A cruel Monster turns into a Prince with a kiss by a beautiful lady in Poems/Stories)
* If your so called ENERGY is the reason behind everything in this world, then why do Human / Plants / Animals die?
How can ENERGY evolve into WATER (Even after 1 millions steps) How can ENERGY evolve into (Bones, Blood, Water, Sand, Fire, Gas, Air and ETC) Just to Ignore the fact that there is something which created all this in a way (We HUMAN can't even think of) We call it ENERGY, Big Bang and etc, just to avoid the facts that How do human, Animals only have legs when it is the same ENERGY which evolved into Human Being, Animal, sand and etc.. ?
Why do only Humans, Animals and Plants can feel, why can't these things feel pain, happiness and etc (SAND, Air, Gas, Fire and etc) if it's the same ENERGY which evolved into all these things.
We have to Accept the fact that there is something called CREATOR (ALLAH SWT) who gave everyone, everything which they deserved (needed to survive in this world) (needed to change for their betterment) Everything in this world is here for a reason, just don't say that everything in this world is a FUCKIN COINCIDENCE of ENERGY being Evolved or Big Bang theory.
most humans act like monkies so i agree with sufy xD. also human evolution into ponies is unavoidable .
i dont know about the islam religion but most of the stuff in the bible has been proven wrong, i think it was just written by a bunch of humans like 2000 years ago to explain the world they did not yet understand (talking about the bible only because i dont know anything about islam book )
Many things such as embryology and the earth being round and more are in the Quran.
Bullshit the earth is shaped like a square.
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You know that I am joking.
wat r u talking?... the earth is an amoeba (can change its shape)
You failed to see the text that said I was joking?
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Yeah[EK]Arnold^ wrote:Well, did you made this video by your own?
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Wow, great, I appreciate it.EK.CrystalBlue wrote:Yeah[EK]Arnold^ wrote:Well, did you made this video by your own?
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